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    Arrow The BBC ..... Big, bloated and cunning

    In times of uncertainty, of maxed-out credit cards and job cuts, we all use to seek the comforting embrace of Auntie Beeb. The BBC brought the nation together to watch Brucie preside over the Strictly dancefloor. It illuminated the Ponzi schemes and hubris of the credit crunch through the medium of Little Dorrit. It has kept metrosexuals glued to the everyday stories of Eddie Grundy, Peggy Archer and other country folk. It has produced the stunning poignancy of David Attenborough’s Planet Earth, the incisive rigour of Jeremy Paxman and the rollicking originality of Life on Mars. These programmes are quintessentially British, and quintessential BBC.

    Yet the public has realised that there is also another BBC: a corporation that purports to be a public service but pays its Director-General a whopping £816,000 and its head of personnel more than the Prime Minister. It is an empire that schedules TV programmes to wrong-foot its rivals. Proposals seen by a few that the empire has gone too far, and should focus back on public broadcasting when the TV license was 3 shillings and six pence. But they actually constitute an evasive and artful strategy designed to keep the next government from intervening, while in reality changing very little.

    In proposing to axe the BBC’s UK magazines, relinquish its hold on the teenage market, halve the size of its website and cut two radio stations, Director-General Mark Thompson presumably hopes to give the impression of embarking on a path of serious reform. But if he is serious about reform, he needs to do much more than axe a few radio stations that no one has ever listened to and websites that few have ever visited.

    The real giveaway in the proposals is that the BBC seems to have no plans to give anything back to licence-fee payers. The public wants the BBC to continue to make beautiful dramas, powerful journalism and terrific entertainment. It does not want or need a BBC that tries to do everything. The best way to make that happen would be to make a substantial cut to the licence fee and give money back to people to spend as they like.

    The BBC ought to be a creative force for entrepreneurship. In reality it stifles innovation. It has planned to expand local news services when local papers are struggling to survive. It has taken business away from educational and magazine publishers. Its websites, which may seem like a handy and innocuous extension of its news-gathering, have destroyed jobs, livelihoods and creativity by dumping free content on to markets where its rivals have no public subsidy. Paying some staff at a premium to the commercial sector has raised costs across the industry.

    The BBC is insulated from commercial concerns by a guaranteed £3.6 billion stipend in the form of the licence fee. It should not be using that to make life hard for commercial rivals. Yet the BBC’s new priorities are so nebulous as to be meaningless. “Making explicit the BBC’s commitment to consider the market impact of decisions” is a perfectly Reithian fudge.

    If the BBC were serious about reform it would consider selling Radio 1 and getting out of the pop music business, which is hardly ill served by others. It would give up BBC Three, which has no rationale at all. It would get tough on executive pay, and admit that it cannot continue to be regulated by a trust that is also its cheerleader.

    The new proposals were written to serve the best interests of the BBC, not the public. The next government will need to take on what Channel 4’s chairman last year described as “the most powerful lobbying and effective organisation in Britain”. Until then, Auntie Beeb’s warm embrace will simultaneously be a stranglehold that is unpleasant and untenable.

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    Re: The BBC ..... Big, bloated and cunning

    Can you please cite where you got this article from?
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    Re: The BBC ..... Big, bloated and cunning

    Quote Originally Posted by Midas View Post
    Can you please cite where you got this article from?
    Looks like it is from Big, bloated and cunning -Times Online
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    Re: The BBC ..... Big, bloated and cunning

    Big Bloated and Cunning!!!
    Just like(partial list)
    Nulab.
    The NHS.
    The police FARCE
    All trappings of Stalinist Nulab oppression in the UK.

    (others to come when i think of em)!!

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    Re: The BBC ..... Big, bloated and cunning

    BBC's Around The World In 80 Days branded a 'waste of money' for raising only fraction of the £1m it cost to make
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... -Need.html

    I was offered cocaine on my first day at the BBC: Former producer reveals how executives were praised for drug use
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... e-use.html


    Case of Emma fatigue sees BBC viewers turn off in millions
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... lions.html

    BBC refuses to let rival channels share its popular iPlayer
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... layer.html

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    The BBCs project Canvass

    The BBCs project Canvass Or as I like to call it BBC gets go-ahead for the first stage for the introduction of the Internet Tax.

    It seems Viewers will be able to access the internet via their televisions now that the BBC has been given the go-ahead for these controversial plans .

    The corporation's governing body, the BBC Trust, has finally agreed to the venture, which is also backed by ITV, BT, Channel 4, Five and Carphone Warehouse.

    Known as Project Canvas, the technology will ultimately allow users to watch programmes, shop and download music on one set from the comfort of the living room.

    It would make the BBC the Dominant player in this country of next generation of internet and TV technology.

    But critics say the BBC should not be allowed to use the tv licence money for the venture.

    Viewers will have to shell out £200 for a start for a set top box, which will only allow access to Freeview and HD channels including BBC iPlayer, ITV Player, NHS Direct, YouTube and Amazon.

    Other sites will only be visible if further developers decide to translate content for viewing on people's televisions, rather than a computer.

    The technology means any number of online services could be delivered via the television screen, and accessed by the touch of a button - i.e from a remote control.

    The set top boxes could be onsale as early as this Christmas. In an interview , Richard Halton, Project Canvas programme director, said the service would have a 'transformational effect on TV'.

    'By seamlessly converging broadband and broadcast content, Project Canvas can help secure the future of the BBC and secure for the future, the way the BBC is financed .'

    BBC iPlayer has been a runaway success and is credited with getting more Britons to watch TV online. There have been 400million requests to download programmes since it launched two years ago.

    Project Canvas will compete with a new generation of televisions which have access to the internet including Samsung's broadband-connected TVs that allow access to YouTube, and the Apple TV set-top box which also allows YouTube access.

    Plans for Project Canvas have come under fire from Virgin and British Sky Broadcasting.

    'Given its privileged position in receipt of public funding, the proposals remain inconsistent with the BBC's obligations to adopt the least intrusive and most proportionate means of fulfilling its core public service.'

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    Re: The BBC ..... Big, bloated and cunning

    ND what is your problem, did the BBC turn down some scripts?
    If people want value for money from the BBC and I have lost count of the number of times I have heard "I wouldn't mind paying the license but what do we get for it?" then they need to be market leaders. Interesting that their involvement in "freeview" made it such a success tvs are sold with it as standard, when the independent companies (remember itv digital?) that tried it before failed isn't it?
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    My problem is this ... choice.... I know in the UK we're given the illusion of choice but the BBC sort of has it's cake and eats it with candles on top and a firework display to keep it'self amused .
    The BBC is a global company through BBC worldwide ,their is BBC America ,India ,Canada ,New Zealand the list is endless and they are all financed through voluntary subscription .
    When I lived and worked in the eastern united states I subscribed to BBc America it came as part of a package, by the way if i compared it to the pricing structure of say virgin and Sky ,your being legally mugged and to pay a compulsary entertainment tax on top ,Really !! how gullible and stupid are 'We'

    Right now 'Doctor Who' which was shown on BBC America for two years has now gone Network (it's being sold and shown across the U.S) that means the big bucks starting coming in . This will benefit BBC America but not the TV licence payers of the UK because all revenues earned go straight into the coffers of The private company that is BBC America and to rub salt on the wound , They Buy Doctor Who very cheap indeed so much so the American Entertainment Media Industry complains profusely , saying this is Unfair and the actions of a subsidised foreign state broadcaster.

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    Arrow Give us £145.50 it belongs to us

    Give us £145.50 it belongs to us .......

    and rising, rate of inflation ignored as usual

    For those of you who don’t live in the UK, you may be interested in the phenomenon that is the TV License - Essentially, if you have a TV or receiving equipment, you are obliged to pay the government £145.50 per year to view the BBC channels.

    Don’t watch the BBC? I’m afraid that TV Licensing doesn’t believe you. EVERYONE who owns an operational set must watch the BBC. They're compelled to. There’s something in the water.

    TV Licensing ‘Enquiry Officers’ also seem to get a hoot out of threatening £1000 fines onto anyone within spitting distance when £130 to £150 is the norm.

    If you click on this link:- http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/excuses.jsp

    This site describes some of the ‘hilarious’ situations they’ve found themselves in. I don’t know why these people think that roving around neighbourhoods harassing people is like a sketch from a comedy show.

    Nevertheless, this is the tone of one of the letters I have received. (May I note that it was bordered in we're-going-to-repossess-your-firstborn)

    Here's the Jist:

    ____________________

    Dear Occupier, (These people don’t know my name, yet are willing to put me in shackles for life because of all the ‘other’ knowledge that they’ve somehow accumulated. Interesting.)

    WE’VE WRITTEN TWICE TO YOU ALREADY. (No, you haven’t. While I can accept that one letter might go missing in the postal system, I can’t accept two – which means you’re lying.)

    WE KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE! (Yes. Yes you do. That's why I'm holding the letter from you. You do not, however, know who the hell I am. Mail spamming has these kinds of drawbacks.)

    WE KNOW YOU'RE DEFRAUDING THE GOVERNMENT YOU DISGUSTING TERMITE! (I....I don't have a TV....)

    OUR INSPECTOR IS COMING TO YOUR ADDRESS. HE WILL HAVE A TRUNCHEON AND A BUCKET OF LUBRICANT. (errr...guys?...I really don't have a TV…)

    NOT HAVING A LICENSE IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE, LIKE KILLING SOMEONE BUT MUCH MUCH WORSE (I think these guys actually watch British programming....)

    FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE BORG COLLECTIVE WILL NET YOU A ONE THOUSAND POUND FINE. (Yeah, I gathered that from the ‘Big Brother is watching you, we know you don’t pay your license – you will be assimilated’ posters all over the underground, the shop windows and in the press. Thanks.)

    WE HAVE VANS THAT CRUISE THE STREETS AND DETECT TV SIGNALS (Ahhh, kinda like the Death Star but without the latex uniforms?)

    By the way, if you don’t have a TV, don’t worry. All you have to do is take the time out of your day to write to us and tell us and WE WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH YOU IN DUE COURSE. (OK…..why will you be in contact with me? I say I don’t have a TV, that means I don’t need a license – burden of proof is on you, buddy. Oops…sorry, forgot that for the purpose of TV license searches, courts pretty much automatically issue warrants. I guess I’ll just bend over, shall I?)

    WE give FAR too many of our rights away without a peep.

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    Thumbs up 2 rules to follow to end you paying the tv licence

    1) The No contact Rule

    Simply ignore TVLA/BBC. Their letters are computer-generated and sent out by the hundred-thousand. The purpose of these "official warnings" and threats of "imminent legal action" is psychological rather than actual. Once this is realised, the letters cease to have any effect or credibility.

    The same applies to street visits. Put it this way ,If someone called at your door and asked to see whether you had a washing-machine or a food-mixer, would you let them in? Of course not, so why permit TVLA/BBC to look for a TV, video or DVD player? People who work for TVLA/BBC have no more right to enter private residences than as if they were selling dusters.

    Without entry, TVLA/BBC have no sure means of knowing whether a house has equipment set up to receive broadcasts. That is why they rely on mass mailshots, declaring messages such as, "This is your final warning". They rely you the householder to react to these letters and on your
    self-incrimination during street visits. Without YOUR co-operation, TVLA/BBC is impotent.

    What about search warrants? Before a search warrant can be issued, TVLA/BBC must satisfy the court that they have "reasonable grounds" for believing that broadcasts are being received at the unlicenced address. The simple absence of a licence does not constitute this, nor does the householder's refusal to communicate with TVLA/BBC. To obtain a search warrant, TVLA/BBC must offer the court positive evidence, such as seeing or hearing a television, or the householder's own admission. Without such evidence, TVLA/BBC cannot apply for a search warrant, and without a search warrant, they cannot enter. So, they are back to square one.

    The "no contact" Rule is therefore to ignore the letters and to keep the door shut to TVLA/BBC visitors. A drawback of this approach is that TVLA/BBC will keep coming, but the benefit is that it wastes their time and money: every £100 spent chasing "no contact" households is £100 less spent on the BBC itself. And that can only be a good thing.

    2) Implied right of access

    Did you know there is a way to stop TVLA/BBC approaches completely - this is a closely guarded secret kept from the public by our wonderful institutions that rule us.Don’t believe me type in “implied and unimplied access” into any search engine site –Google, Yahoo etc, or ask a lawyer.

    Although houses and flats are private property, there exists an "implied right of access" to enable postal deliveries, newspaper rounds, etc. This means that the pathway, doorbell and letter box may be used by visitors without the express permission of the owner. Invitation to use them is implied.

    As a result of this, TVLA/BBC can come up your path and ring your door bell.
    To prevent TVLA/BBC approaching your property, write to them, stating that you have withdrawn their implied right of access. There is no need to indicate whether you have a television, and you do not need to give your name.Technically they will be breaking the law (The Law of trespass to convict you)

    That will keep their employees away, but it will not stop the delivery of TVLA/BBC letters, since it is the postman who uses your letter box. So, inform TVLA/BBC that you consider their written contact as harassment. This combined approach - withdrawing the right of implied access and informing them that their actions are harassment - will prevent further contact.

    Remember, whether you choose the No Contact route, or withdraw the implied right of access, always remember the following if a TVLA/BBC employee calls: If you know it is them, do not answer the door. If you do answer the door, and then find out who they are, close the door (do not engage in conversation). If they have already been let in, instruct them to leave; they are obliged to do so.



    "If one of our Visiting Officers calls at your home they will ... stop the enquiry if asked to leave ... [they will] only enter a property when given permission" (page 4, About TV Licensing, December 2008).



    Under no circumstances, do you admit or sign anything. TVLA/BBC employees are not the police; they are a private company, and have no special legal powers. They rely on you providing information, which they will seek to use against you.


    Other information

    The less TVLA/BBC knows about you the better, so here are some more ideas to keep them off your back:

    i) Be mindful of what information you give retailers. Retailers are required to pass names and addresses to TVL/BBC of all customers who buy a television, DVD, video player etc. TVLA/BBC then uses this information to update their mailing database.

    ii) If you move house, do not inform TVLA/BBC. There is no legal obligation to do so.

    iii) Important: make sure your TV is not visible through the window, or audible from the letterbox. While there is nothing unlawful about having a television without a licence, TVLA/BBC automatically assumes that it is receiving broadcasts.

    iv) TVLA/BBC sometimes send letters by recorded delivery, requiring your signature. This enables them to confirm your identity and update their database. They also hope that signing for an "official warning" will give you a fright. So, ask to see where a recorded delivery has come from before signing. If it is from Bristol BS98 1TL, refuse it (keep a note of TVLA’s address by your front door for easy reference).

    v) TVLA/BBC sometimes phone people up. If a caller asks for you by name, ask who is phoning before confirming your identity. If the reply is "TV Licensing" or similar, replace the handset. Do not engage in conversation. If you give your identity, it enables TVLA/BBC to update their database.

    vi) Beware dirty tricks. For instance, a caller pretending to do a survey; "Have you got a music centre?” followed by, "Have you got a TV?", or "What's your favourite TV programme?" Always confirm the identity of the caller.

    The following are good practice, regardless of your TV licensing requirements:

    vii) Have your details removed from the publicly available version of the electoral roll. You can do this by ticking the relevant box on your voter registration form. See further details from the

    Home - Electoral Commission.

    viii) Have your telephone number removed from the directory; details to be found in the phone book.

    ix) Join the Mailing Preference Service, the Telephone Preference Service and the Fax Preference Service.

    x) Do not give your name on your answer machine's recorded message.

    xi) Do not give consent for your details to be given to third parties; for instance, when completing coupons for special offers, magazine and catalogue tear-off slips and promotional questionnaires and flyers. Always tick the non-disclosure box.

    Complaints against TVLA/BBC, and how to make them

    This website advocates minimal or zero contact with TVLA/BBC. However, if you wish to contact them for purposes of a complaint, below is where to write. This is a three-stage process; start with the first address, and move to the second and third if the responses are not satisfactory. Do not start with the second or third addresses. According to its 2007 annual report, TVLA/BBC received 180,000 written complaints and 70,000 by telephone, so you will be in good company.

    1) Head of Customer Relations
    Customer Relations Department
    TV Licensing
    Bristol BS98 1TL

    2) Customer Services Director
    TV Licensing
    Bristol BS98 1TL

    3) Customer Relations Manager
    BBC TV Licensing Management Team
    PO Box 48309
    London W12 6YA

    TV Licensing have many free phone numbers-

    0800 3282 020
    0800 551 550
    0800 0324 690
    0800 0850 133
    0800 9171 490

    If you have to phone them remember to Dail 141 first to block your own number

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